so why not in real life?

topic posted Fri, September 7, 2007 - 1:02 PM by  madame7
After viewing some of the photos taken of the art installations at BM, i am left puzzled. Why don't people put forth that level of creative effort to make art and inspire community in their everyday lives? Granted, they have to go to work and keep up with "real life" and not everyone has the luxury to make art all day. But if the intent is there, the means will manifest. All those people found the time, energy and resources to gather up, drag out and build that stuff, because they were driven to create it on the Playa. That effort could easily be directed into their home communities, if only they cared enough to do so.

Why do you suppose people are willing to give to Burning Man, but not so much anywhere else? OK so i don't know, maybe SOME of those artists do that in real life. But my guess is that the majority of them save this energy for the BM community. To me it's like tuning all of your mental capacity into your dreamtime.

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posted by:
madame7
Seattle
  • Re: so why not in real life?

    Fri, September 7, 2007 - 1:37 PM
    I wonder the same thing,
    does some of it have to do with space?
    I mean, like the shear size of some of those things, where could you put up
    something like that?

    Is it just that one big project a year is all they
    have time and energy for?

    These are IMHO legitimate reasons, but I wonder what happens to the art projects afterwards...do
    they get incorporated into a community or put on display somewhere outside of BM/BRC to inspire others?
    Or do they just go into some trash heap?
    • Re: so why not in real life?

      Fri, September 7, 2007 - 6:09 PM
      i saw someone had posted a listing selling parts of their art installation, which is kind of obnoxious. I mean, any Burner who would want that thing for sentimental reasons is probably broke right now from missing 10 days of work...and who else would want it?
  • Re: so why not in real life?

    Sat, September 8, 2007 - 1:52 AM
    I suspect that standing a circle, facing the back of the person in front of you, and giving them a reach around, is a lot like "Giving to the community" at burning man.

    They should adopt the motto: FOR BURNERS, BY BURNERS, PAID FOR BY BURNIES.

    --S
  • Re: so why not in real life?

    Sun, September 9, 2007 - 10:42 AM
    If you go to my blog posts, I have an anti-BM rant from last year. That was one of the points I made. . .

    Go to Burning Man once, hurray for you
    Go to Burning Man twice, well, ok, that can be cool
    Go to Burning Man every year, you're a CULTIST

    People that go to Burning Man every year are obviously putting the majority of their spare cycles into Burning Man and not into their RL - Real Life. It's the same obnoxious mentality where Greeters say, "Welcome home". For me home is wherever my ass is grounded RIGHT NOW. Unless you're a trust fund baby (believe me I know some) or living in your parents' chums' basements, Burning Man is a HUGE time sink.

    I was inspired by my Burning Man experience to create community in chicago, and that's what I'm doing. Going to Burning Man frequently would just eat up whatever little spare time I have to make my own life better. Going to Burning Man every year is a total circle jerk, as another poster wrote.
    • Re: so why not in real life?

      Thu, December 20, 2007 - 1:22 AM
      I am so glad to see these anti BM tribes... I have been saying all these things for years to my friends who still go to burning man every year only to be met with argument and disapproval of my being outspoken of my dissatisfaction of where BM has gone in recent years, as if being honest and outspoken against BM was a Crime!

      My first year was '96, then '97 and my last was '03. I was over it the 2nd time, was talked into it the 3rd time and had a somewhat ok time but it's lost it's appeal to me. I live art everyday... but I will say it took me a long time to make that commitment to myself and not let others judgments or perceived judgments on my lifestyle stop me.

      I heard this last year was pretty good and got a little twinge thinking hmmmm maybe next year... then I looked at burner pictures.. not the art, but pics of the people and actually had to swallow the vomit that rose up in my throat!
      • Re: so why not in real life?

        Fri, December 21, 2007 - 3:22 PM
        "as if being honest and outspoken against BM was a Crime! "

        Remember, people were once publicly killed for speaking out against The Church.
        The herd mentality is threatened by free-thinking.
  • Re: so why not in real life?

    Tue, January 1, 2008 - 8:15 AM
    Madame7 writes:

    "Granted, they have to go to work and keep up with "real life" and not everyone has the luxury to make art all day. But if the intent is there, the means will manifest."

    I would have to respectfully but strongly disagree with that, but in response to this

    " Why don't people put forth that level of creative effort to make art and inspire community in their everyday lives?"

    I would agree that this is a real question, especially when, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the rising population density of "Black Rock City" has rendered one of the basic rationales of Burning Man (the presence of effectively infinite space to play with) obsolete; per person, even in a high density older city like Chicago, most of us will have more space to work with back home, at a much lower cost. If one gives up the amplified music, drugs, nudity and fire and just focuses on the art, one ends up with something that may well be hostable in a city forest preserve.

    That much having been said, when I tried to get something like that going back home, I only found one taker; people seem to either want the drugs, nudity and fire or a PTA event, with practically nobody open to exploring any possibility between those two extremes. What's worse is that, at least here, they seem to want to wait until "things get going" before getting involved, even on the level of just posting a message to a mailing list saying "hi", unless it is something like "hi and would you help me with this Nigerian bank transaction" or "Hi, and let me flame you for not agreeing with my personal brand of political whackiness". This became a problem for some of us when, with the intent of getting local (non-bmorg affiliated) events going, we moderated an alternative Midwestern Burning Man list

    groups.yahoo.com/group/chi-burning

    a problem which we never were able to get past. Eventually, all we could do was give up. Given the attitude, I'd say that Burning Man becomes the place where all of the effort goes, because Burning Man is where all of the effort has gone - it's a vicious circle.

    That, and because for many, the art is just a cover for that cringeworthy blend of drugs, nudity and fringe politics.
    • Re: so why not in real life?

      Sat, February 2, 2008 - 3:52 AM
      How about some radical self expression renegade style art in the most run down ugly parts of town where is will benefit the greater good all year instead of hauling it all out to the desert for people who have the $1000 to blow every year and burn it all at the end so only the financially elite can enjoy?

      --S
      • Re: so why not in real life?

        Sat, February 2, 2008 - 9:47 PM
        maybe because they all believe they are really building a stairway to heaven which will burn behind them.
        • Re: so why not in real life?

          Sun, February 3, 2008 - 11:04 AM
          It has occured to me that perhaps part of the desert theme is due to the high risk for fire from all that art and not wanting to burn down all of california because somebody's fire poi got out of hand......we should be grateful....

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