help me out here, guys.

topic posted Mon, October 27, 2008 - 11:11 PM by  offlinemadame7
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one of my blog entries is turning into a debate about BM's influence in the local underground culture.
Who's got my back?
seattle.tribe.net/template/...CDetail.vm

you might not wish to read through all the entries. It started out as a rant about how the underground dance scene in Seattle has degenerated to SUCK and i'm so bored/jaded that i stay home every night. Then i ventured to blame it on the Burners and one of my friends got insulted.
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madame7
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  • Re: help me out here, guys.

    Tue, October 28, 2008 - 8:43 PM
    Hardcore burners take digs at BM unreasonably personally.
    This is because they identify with it so closely, they become like the Borg.
    Resistance is futile. They have been assimilated.
    You are absolutely right about them using the term to set themselves apart & they are extremely clique-y when they get together.

    I have long-time friends I used to Ren. faire with & when we have reunion-type parties, inevitably those who are also burners start grouping up & leaving the rest to scratch our heads. And yes, Rennies can be exclusive too, but I don't know any who are hive-mind about it the way burners are. (I'm sure there are a few, don't get me wrong). Also, many Rennies are cool with others & cross through other subcultures quite easily.
    • Re: help me out here, guys.

      Tue, October 28, 2008 - 10:53 PM
      I highly highly recommend downloading this, it breaks this all down beautifully....

      www.google.com/search

      Here is an excerpt:

      In order to better understand the complexity of human relationships,
      it is helpful to understand the workings of the tribal mind.
      All of us are born into a “tribal mentality” of various forms. These
      include our family unit, religious background, country of origin, ethnicity,
      etc. The tribal mentality involves our spirit in specific thought
      forms held by the group; it effectively marinates an individual in the
      tribe’s beliefs, ensuring that all believe the same. The structure of reality—
      what is and is not possible for the members of the group—is thus
      agreed upon and maintained. While the tribal mentality has definite
      benefits in terms of establishing common ground and ensuring group
      survival, it is not a conscious agreement. At a certain stage in our
      evolution, both personally and collectively, the tribal mentality must
      be challenged.
      As a species, we have become incredibly dishonorable. We don’t
      think twice about breaking vows or promises. We can’t even keep
      our word to ourselves anymore. I’m hoping that people will begin to
      recognize the need for a personal honor code independent of the tribe.
      We need to learn how to treat everyone—regardless of tribal affiliation—
      with absolute honor.
      Every one of us is plugged into the tribal mind. We finance the
      belief patterns of the tribe by directing a percentage of our life force
      into maintaining our affiliation with the tribe. What that means from
      an energetic point of view is that our individual energetic circuits go
      into prolonging the life force of the tribe to which we belong. This
      involves an implicit agreement to think like the tribe thinks, to evaluate
      situations and people the way the tribe does, and to believe in
      right and wrong according to tribal values and tribal ambitions. As
      long as the tribal mentality remains unexamined and transparent to
      awareness, we unwittingly subject others to our tribal laws.
      When we are plugged into tribal thought forms, we can easily
      believe in nonsensical prejudices held by the tribe. Examples of this in
      our world are obvious. Tribal mentality allows us to hold a position or
      attitude about an entire group of people: “All fat people are lazy,” or
      “all Irish are drunks,” for example. A tribal thought form may have
      no truth to it whatsoever, but individuals hold to such beliefs because
      that perspective is what the tribe has agreed to believe. Innocent
      children, born into the hatred and prejudice of their parents and
      ancestors, grow up inside a tribal mentality that sponsors the endless
      march toward war. People grow up hating other people—people they
      have never seen—based on group affiliation. This is the shadow side
      of the tribe.
      Inevitably, some among us come to a point
      where we want to break out of the tribal mentality.
      This is inevitable because the nature of consciousness
      pushes us to evolve. At some point,
      the individual wants to explore, develop, and
      manage his or her own consciousness without the limitations of the
      tribal mind. It is easy to spot these mavericks when they start to question
      and unplug from tribal mentality—they hang out on the periphery
      looking bored and restless, or whimsical and dreamy. Others will
      act out the agitated hot-head as they challenge tribal ways.

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